Curse

Riotgear · Jan 18, 2008, 11:12 AM // 11:12

[skill]"Coward!"[/skill]
Now 4 adrenaline.

I'm singling this out because I think it's one of the more-interesting buffs from the recent update, and seems like it has potential use on a Tacticsgon. Anyone experimenting with it yet?

Byron · Jan 18, 2008, 06:07 PM // 18:07

Kinda sorta. I gave it a whirl on a sword guy, but it seems redundant with bull's there. Under ideal conditions it could be pretty powerful on a melee, but otherwise bull's is certainly good enough to apply KD pressure/anti-snare. I wanted to try it with "to the limit" or FGJ, but haven't.

As for a partygon, I have yet to try it, but doubt it could be too good under the template. Because the KD is conditional to moving, you aren't going to interrupt anything, nor is it a guaranteed KD, and without stonefist the KD itself is pretty quick. A coward template for paragon would have to be pretty aggressive to be effective imho, in which case that character couldn't be the watch yourself-ballad-shields up guy.

moriz · Jan 18, 2008, 06:12 PM // 18:12

i'm actually having a crazy idea of running two of these on midline chars, like mesmer and paragon. could make for some pretty nifty chained KD's

the best thing about this skill is its instant activation. there's no way for you to completely predict when it's gonna go off on you.

TheOneMephisto · Jan 18, 2008, 06:27 PM // 18:27

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Originally Posted by moriz

i'm actually having a crazy idea of running two of these on midline chars, like mesmer and paragon. could make for some pretty nifty chained KD's

the best thing about this skill is its instant activation. there's no way for you to completely predict when it's gonna go off on you.

Because mesmer's have time to build up adrenaline?

This might be useful on a paragon or sword warrior, but I really don't see it gaining that much popularity. Bull's strike is strong enough already on warriors, and while it would have some nifty uses on paragons, the 2-sec KD and loss of party healing/deep wound is quite a bit to lose.

moriz · Jan 18, 2008, 06:35 PM // 18:35

adrenaline, especially at 4 hits, is easily obtained on anything. a mesmer can easily gain that much by just wanding between casting and kiting.

the better question is whether we can afford the mesmer losing the ward against melee by going me/w.

Tab · Jan 18, 2008, 06:36 PM // 18:36

I can see it being used occasionally on a para. It's fun on a sword war, but pretty bad for anything other than messing around in RA/AB.

TheHaxor · Jan 18, 2008, 06:46 PM // 18:46

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Originally Posted by TheOneMephisto

Because mesmer's have time to build up adrenaline?

They do if they have FRENZY!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Coward is probably best used on a sin and probably won't see much use in GvG. I think it will see some use in RA/TA.

JR · Jan 18, 2008, 07:26 PM // 19:26

It's really not that good. It just isn't.

makosi · Jan 19, 2008, 12:05 AM // 00:05

If you have a volume of brain cells reaching double-digits, you stop kiting from the "Coward!" warrior because you realise he doesn't have an Elite attack skill and isn't really a massive threat.

It's more annoying than anything else.

zling · Jan 19, 2008, 12:13 AM // 00:13

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Originally Posted by makosi

If you have a volume of brain cells reaching double-digits, you stop kiting from the "Coward!" warrior because you realise he doesn't have an Elite attack skill and isn't really a massive threat.

It's more annoying than anything else.

right, Sever+Gash+Final Thrust isnt a massive threat...
neither is Executioner's+Disember+Agonizing...

yeah I know its not Eviscerate nor Dragon Slash but hey, Warriors are a lot more versatile than these 2 elites...

not saying that Coward is good or anything, just saying that you shouldnt rule it out so easily...

Riotgear · Jan 19, 2008, 12:29 AM // 00:29

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Originally Posted by makosi

If you have a volume of brain cells reaching double-digits, you stop kiting from the "Coward!" warrior because you realise he doesn't have an Elite attack skill and isn't really a massive threat.

Warriors can just bring Shock and Bull's Strike. Which they already do.

My question is whether or not Paragons will be finding a use for it, since they are in a much better position to use it.

Legacy Virus · Jan 19, 2008, 12:36 AM // 00:36

the skill is great on paragons, and it even works well on warriors (sword atleast).

Coward + awe or spear swipe is just awesome.

i can see it being used on paragon im sure.

moriz · Jan 19, 2008, 04:08 AM // 04:08

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Originally Posted by makosi

If you have a volume of brain cells reaching double-digits, you stop kiting from the "Coward!" warrior because you realise he doesn't have an Elite attack skill and isn't really a massive threat.

It's more annoying than anything else.

right, you can stop kiting while his shock axe partner beat your face in, while the coward warrior beat up on something else. damned if you do, damned if you don't.

as it stands now, coward is viable on the second warrior (or third warrior, if you're running one of those), as well as on a midline of some sort. the prospect of an instantaneous, RANGED bull's strike is too hard to pass up. especially at 4 adrenaline.

Wasteland Squidget · Jan 19, 2008, 04:41 AM // 04:41

It's not a Bull's Strike. A huge part of Bull's Strikes power comes in the fact that it's a strong hit and +damage skill that leads into a spike. If Bulls did no damage, it wouldn't be nearly as good as it is now.

There are some decent tricks you can do with the new Coward and it's a funny linebacking skill, but it's never going to replace Bulls on your bar.

Captain Robo · Jan 19, 2008, 07:48 AM // 07:48

Under no circumstance should you replace bull's strike for "Coward!". It should be ran on a support paragon.

JR · Jan 19, 2008, 11:55 AM // 11:55

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Originally Posted by Captain Robo

Under no circumstance should you replace bull's strike for "Coward!". It should be ran on a support paragon.

If I was ever going to run coward, it would be on split. That is the only place I could justify sacrificing damage for that kind of utility. It's not even particularly strong on split due to the need to build adren to use it.

I was playing around yesterday in RA with a Coward/Sever/Gash/Steelfang/Enraging bar, that was fairly entertaining. I still don't see it replacing a damage elite any time soon though.